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Precision Rifle Barrels – What The Pros Use

This is an exciting post, because many believe the barrel is THE most important component of a precision rifle. That’s hard to argue with, although I’m sure some would. I recently surveyed the top 100 shooters in the Precision Rifle Series (PRS), and this post reviews the barrels those elite shooters were using in 2015. The PRS tracks how top competitors place in major rifle matches across the country. These are the major leagues of sniper-style competitions, with targets typically from 300 to 1200 yards. These world-class shooters represent the best of the best in terms of long-range shooting in field conditions. For more info on the Precision Rifle Series and who these guys are, or to view what other gear they’re running scroll to the bottom of this article.

This is one of several posts based on that gear survey of the top PRS shooters. Want to be the first to know when the next set of results is posted? Sign-up to receive new posts via email.

Top Rifle Barrels

Here is a look at the barrels the top rifle shooters were running this year:

Best Rifle Barrels

Bartlein Barrels leads the pack again for the 4th year in a row! Almost half of the shooters in the top 100 were running Bartlein barrels. Bartlein uses some of the most advanced computer-aided manufacturing processes available. Bartlein explains, “Our rifling machines are so accurate, we can carry the twist rate to the 4th decimal point (example: 11.3642).” Wow.

Hawk Hill Custom Barrels made a huge leap in 2015, with 26% of the top shooters running them. Last year only 4 of the top 50 shooters surveyed reported running a Hawk Hill Custom barrel, and this year there were 13 in the top 50 … a 350% increase! Hawk Hill makes make 4-groove single point cut rifled barrels that are hand lapped. I was talking to a well-respected gunsmith about barrels a couple weeks ago, and he suggested I take a look at Hawk Hill. He said it was a small shop, where there is just a handful of passionate guys doing all the work. He thought because it was such a small operation, they may be able to maintain more consistent quality and tighter quality control than some of the bigger suppliers. While I can’t say whether that’s the case or not, there were a lot of these shooters who gave them a strong vote of confidence.

Bartlein and Hawk Hill combined to represent the barrels that 7 out of 10 shooters were running, but there were several other world-class barrel manufacturers represented:

Barrel Contours

I also asked these top shooters what barrel contour they were running, and here is what they said:

Barrel Contours

Heavy Palma barrels were the most popular among the top competitors this year. Last year Medium Palma and Heavy Palma barrels represented over 50% of the top shooters, with Medium Palma barrels being slightly more popular. But this year there were also a lot of barrels with a Remington Varmint contour. There were only 2 shooters in the top 50 running Remington Varmint barrels last year, and this year there 9 in the top 50 … including 3 in the top 10!

There may be a few contours you haven’t heard of in this list:

  • Marksman Contour – This contour was developed by Hawk Hill Custom for the precision rifle matches. They feel like “it is it is a perfect balance of weight to barrel length.” It is between a Medium and Heavy Palma, and a little closer to heavy than medium. It is 1.25” for 3” then has a palma contour down to 0.87” at 28”. That barrel weighs approximately 5.3 lbs at 28”.
  • GAP #6 Contour – I asked George Gardner, GAP President, about this contour and he said this is a modified Remington Varmint contour. The GAP #6 contour is 1.25” for 3.5”, and then has a sporter contour down to 0.9” at 26”. That makes about 1/2 lb. heavier than the Remington Varmint contour. George said it looks like a Heavy Palma barrel. All of the guys who reported this contour were running Bartlein barrels, but this is different than Bartlein’s #6 contour.
  • Tactical Straight Taper – This is a contour made by Lilja. They explain: “we have added a new straight taper to our list of standards that we refer to as the Tactical. It was developed by one of our military customers. It is a 1.2″ diameter cylinder for 4″ and then a straight taper to .800″ at 26″. The weight at this length is 5.55 pounds in .30 caliber.” This was the original barrel profile for the SOCOM Mk13 Sniper Rifle, which was one of the favorite rifles of Navy Seal Sniper Chris Kyle.

There were a couple shooters who said they were using some type of custom contour, and the chart above doesn’t reflect those. I didn’t have any information on the dimensions or details of the contour, so it didn’t seem helpful to include them.

If you’d like to see the weights and dimensions of the standard contours I mentioned (like Heavy Palma, Remington Vamint, Medium Palma, MTU, M24, and Heavy Varmint), here is a good resource that I reference all the time for those details: Bartlein Barrel Contours. Barrel contours may vary slightly from one manufacturer to another, but for the most part they’re all very, very similar.

Rifle Barrel Lengths

And finally, I asked the shooters what barrel length they were running:

Barrel Lengths

You can see almost 1/2 of these guys were running a 26” barrel, but there were also some 20” and 22” barrels represented among the top 10 competitors. The 20” barrel was on Matt Perry’s 6mm Dasher rifle, and Tate Streater was the one in the top 10 with a 22” barrel on his 6mm Creedmoor.

Because the choice of barrel length is often related to the specific cartridge used, here is a breakdown of barrel length grouped by cartridge:

Barrel Length 6.5x47 6.5 Creedmoor

You can see the 26” barrel was the most popular for most cartridges. One interesting note is the 6mm Dasher had barrels from 20” to 28”. That is a pretty big range! Obviously a great shooter can be effective with any of them.

Barrel of THE Top Shooter

David PrestonThe guy who took 1st place overall in 2015 was David Preston. He was the first shooter to ever finish the season with a perfect score of 400, which means he won 1st place in at least 3 PRS matches in the regular season and he also won the PRS Championship Match, which was a head-to-head competition of the top 100 shooters. That is no small feat!

David was using a 26” Hawk Hill Custom barrel in a Remington Varmint contour and chambered in a 6×47 Lapua by Short Action Customs.

Other “What The Pros Use” Articles

This post was one of a series of posts that look at the equipment the top PRS shooters use. Check out these other posts:

Meet The Pros

You know NASCAR? Yes, I’m talking about the racing-cars-in-a-circle NASCAR. Before NASCAR, there were just a bunch of unaffiliated, regional car races. NASCAR brought structure by unifying those races, and created the idea of a season … and an overall champion. NASCAR identified the top races across the country (that were similar in nature), then combined results and ranked competitors. The Precision Rifle Series (PRS) is like NASCAR, but for rifle matches.

Watch PRS In ActionThe PRS is a championship style point series race based on the best precision rifle matches nationwide. PRS matches are recognized as the major league of sniper-style rifle matches. These matches aren’t shot from a bench or even on a square range. They feature practical, real-world field conditions, and even some improvised barricades and obstacles to increase the difficulty from hard to you-have-to-be-kidding-me. You won’t be able to take all shots from a prone position, and time stressors keep you from getting to comfortable. Typical target ranges are from 300 to 1200 yards, but each PRS match has a unique personality with creative stages that challenge different aspects of precision shooting. You might start off the day with a single cold bore shot on a small target at 400 yards, then at the next stage make a 1400 yard shot through 3 distinct winds across a canyon, then try to hit a golf ball on a string at 164 yards with no backstop to help you spot misses (can’t make that up), then see how many times you can ring an small 6” target at 1000 yards in 30 seconds, next shoot off a roof top at 10”, 8”, and 6” targets at 600 yards, followed by a speed drill on 1” targets at 200 yards and repeated at 7 yards … plus 10 other stages, and then come back tomorrow and do some more! Many stages involve some type of gaming strategy, and physical fitness can also come into play. For a shooter to place well in multiple matches, they must be an extremely well-rounded shooter who is capable of getting rounds on target in virtually any circumstance.

There are about 15 national-level PRS matches each year. At the end of the year the match scores are evaluated and the top ranked shooters are invited to compete head-to-head in the PRS Championship Match. We surveyed the shooters who qualified for the championship, asking all kinds of questions about the equipment they ran that season. This is a great set of data, because 100 shooters is a significant sample size, and this particular group are experts among experts. It includes guys like George Gardner (President/Senior Rifle Builder of GA Precision), Wade Stuteville of Stuteville Precision, Jim See of Center Shot Rifles, Matt Parry of Parry Custom Gun, Aaron Roberts of Roberts Precision Rifles, shooters from the US Army Marksmanship Unit, and many other world-class shooters.

Think of the best shooter you know … it’s actually very unlikely that person is good enough to break into the top 100. I know I’m not! I competed against a few of these guys for the first time earlier this year, and I was humbled. It’s incredible what these guys can do with a rifle. For example, the match in Oklahoma I was in had a station that required you to engage 4 steel targets scattered at random distances from 300 to 800 yards, and you only had 15 seconds! I think I hit 2, and rushed my 3rd shot. I didn’t even get the 4th shot off! But, one of these guys cleaned that stage with 4 seconds to spare! Yep, he got 4 rounds on target at distance in 11 seconds. That’s the caliber of shooter we’re talking about. It’s very different from benchrest or F-class competitions, but make no mistake … these guys are serious marksmen.

Thanks to Rich Emmons for allowing me to share this info. To find out more about the PRS, check out What Is The Precision Rifle Series? or watch this video to see it in action.

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Cal Zant is the shooter/author behind PrecisionRifleBlog.com. Cal is a life-long learner, and loves to help others get into this sport he's so passionate about. Cal has an engineering background, unique data-driven approach, and the ability to present technical information in an unbiased and straight-forward fashion. For more info, check out PrecisionRifleBlog.com/About.

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34 comments

  1. Did you collect data on 5R configuration or lesser groove configurations ?
    Is this even on your horizon, i.e. if you feel, no think, this unimportant; I would love to hear your rationale oh West Texas One.

    • Hey, CR. I didn’t ask that. I’d guess if we asked about rifling you’d see the overwhelming majority running 5R. I bet at least a couple are running 3 or 4 groove rifling.

      I think rifling is important, and I personally buy 5R barrels. I do that mostly because the smartest gunsmiths I know run them on their personal rifles. I’ve heard the most important thing about rifling is that the bore/groove diameter is consistent the entire length of the rifling. There is even some theories floating around among some smart guys that believe the long, high-BC bullets we’re using may be even more sensitive to that than other bullets. Now does polygonal rifling increase accuracy? I’m not sure anyone has proven that to be a fact. Many believe it to be. I do think those barrels foul less and clean easier, and I’m convinced they don’t shoot worse … so that is what I use. In one of David Tubb’s books, I remember him saying that it can also decrease the amount of gas blow-by you get, because the bullet is able to get a better seal. I haven’t studied that, but it seems plausible. All that to say there are a lot of reported benefits of 5R rifling, and I’m not sure I’ve heard any downsides. So why not, right?! 😉

      I’d love to hear what you think about it, or what you’ve heard.

      Thanks,
      Cal

  2. Hi Cal,
    Great report again.
    Just one thing, if I remember well ,a bunch of competitors are using Accuracy international rifles.
    What brand of barrels and contours are they using? I believe Border barrels used to supply them.
    Thanks

    • AI currently uses Bartlein barrels, but I talked the VP of AI North America at SHOT and he explained that AI’s strategy is to source from whoever they believe is the best at the time. Right now they believe that is Bartlein, but it hasn’t always been that way and they may start sourcing from someone else in the future. And you may be right about it being Border in the past. I’m not sure. The point he was trying to make is that when people buy an AI rifle it isn’t just a Bartlein barrel or put together by this gunsmith … if the AI brand is on it you can expect it to represent the best of what’s out there. It’s kind of like Sony TV’s. There might be good ones out there that are cheaper, and if you do a ton of research and compare all the specs you might find it … but if you want to know that you are buying a TV that represents the latest and greatest technology you can just buy a Sony and know you got it. I think he was saying its kind of like that. Who does Sony source their wiring from? I’m not sure, but probably whoever they think is the best at the time.

      Hope this makes sense. They were pretty adamant about this, so I just want to pass on the info the way they explained it to me.

      Thanks,
      Cal

  3. Can you ask them next year about twist rates for the caliber they’re using. And bore size.

    • Dustin, honestly … I’m not sure some of these guys would know those details. That might sound surprising, but some didn’t even know their contour … so bore size is probably a little more than most would know off the cuff. I can remember researching and debating on bore size on my 6XC, but honestly I couldn’t tell you what I ended up going with without having to go back and trying to dig through invoices or emails. Some of these guys just aren’t gear-heads like the rest of us. They still out-shoot me every day of the week! Twist rate might be something I could ask, but then again … I couldn’t tell you what twist all of my rifles are off the cuff. I’m trying to keep the survey as easy to complete as possible, because there are a few guys every year that won’t take it. Like you, I want all the details … but at the same time, I want to be respectful of their time. I know for every question I ask there are probably going to be less people that complete it. So it’s a balancing act.

      Since most of these guys are running the heaviest bullet for their caliber, it’s very likely they’re running the faster twist rate available. I know that is true for all of the guys I know shooting in this, and that’s usually where I fall as well. I will consider adding that question next year though. I appreciate the input.

      Thanks,
      Cal

  4. Why do you consider the barrel the most important component of a precision rifle?
    Also, do the shooters “tune” their barrels?

    • Hey, Nick. I actually didn’t say I consider it the most important … I said “many believe the barrel is THE most important component of a precision rifle.” I only say that because my opinion doesn’t matter much. I try to intentionally remove my opinion from the posts as much as I can. But … a few really smart guys do see the barrel as one of the biggest contributors to the overall accuracy of a rifle. In The Art of the Precision Rifle, Todd Hodnett walks through how he would go about upgrading a factory rifle into a precision rifle. The first thing he suggests is replacing the barrel with a custom match barrel. Then he goes on to replace things like the trigger and stock, but I’m pretty sure he mentioned barrel as step 1. Not long ago, I visited the shop of Cecil Tucker, a Benchrest Hall of Famer. I asked him what he thought were the most important things that contribute to precision, and he quickly replied “The barrel and the bullet.” On a related note, Cecil showed me his setup for making custom bullets and that was very interesting.

      The barrel is the only part of the rifle the bullet touches, so it makes sense that it has a dramatic impact on its flight. I’m not saying other stuff doesn’t matter. A barrel by itself doesn’t make an impressive rifle! But many sharp people feel like if you could just focus on one thing, it should be the barrel.

      Thanks,
      Cal

  5. Hi Cal, superb blog you’re running!
    I am curious to know how many of the top guys have fluted barrels? I know pound for pound, a fluted barrel has more stiffness than an unfluted barrel, but with the risk of losing accuracy potential due to barrel warping etc. I guess my question boils down to whether fluting does more harm than good.

    • Great question, Johan. I asked about fluting on the last year’s survey, because I was interested to know too. In 2014, there was only 1 shooter in the top 50 that was using a fluted barrel. Now, one of the guys represented here told me he just doesn’t flute the barrel because he goes through them so quickly that it seems like a waste of time and money. These guys practice … a lot. You don’t get to this level any other way. So their rifles may see more rounds in one month than most rifles do in a lifetime. So at least one of the shooter’s decision didn’t have anything to do with whether fluting affected accuracy or not, but that may not be representative of the majority. But, as you mentioned some in the shooting community believe fluting has a negative impact on precision. That likely influences the decision for at least a few of these guys.

      There isn’t any clear evidence or studies that I’m aware of pointing in one direction or the other. It’d probably take a ridiculous amount of barrels to reach any conclusive result through testing. I’ve tried to find as much as I can on this topic, and I just haven’t found much out there. So the questions remain unanswered I’m afraid.

      Thanks,
      Cal

      • Thank you for the reply, the cost factor does make sense if you go through so many barrels! Never thought of that.

      • Yes sir. I personally haven’t found any accuracy difference, and I’ve done a little experimenting. If you are doing benchrest shooting, they may very well be a difference. But for practical field shooting, there is not a noticeable difference in my experience. At least I can’t shoot between those numbers.

        Thanks,
        Cal

  6. Cal,
    Do you know the breakdown between SS V’s CM barrels

    • Hey, Neale. I don’t have any data, but I’d be shocked if any of these shooters were using a chrome-moly barrel. I’d bet all of them are running stainless steel, but I don’t know that for sure. Here is what AccurateShooter.com says about stainless steel and chrome-moly barrels: “Over 90% of high-grade match barrels are made from Stainless Steel. Stainless is easier to machine because it is slightly softer. It is also easier to apply a fine, hand-lapped finish to a stainless bore.”

      Hope this helps,
      Cal

  7. With these “What the Pro’s use” is it possible to also include a weighted score? Based on the finishing place. This would enable us to gauge the relative value of each product in attaining a higher overall place. (Using Average placing does work as well.)

    • That’s a great idea. I don’t want to make that overly complicated, but I think I might could do that in a straight-forward way. I won’t go back and do these results like that, but I will try to keep that in mind if we do this again next year. It’s a great idea. Thanks for passing it on.

      Thanks,
      Cal

  8. THANXS FOR SHARING !

  9. Not trying to tell you your business, but It should be noted that much of the reasoning on barrel length is whether or not they are shooting suppressed. All those 26″ 47’s are with brakes, and the 20″s & 22″‘s are using cans.

    Something the general public probably doesn’t know.

    • Good point, although that may be a little overstated. There are slightly more guys running suppressors with shorter barrels, but not a ton. Of the shooters that were running barrels 24″ and less, 9 of them were using muzzle brakes and 13 were using suppressors. If you just looked at 22″ barrels, 2 were running muzzle brakes and 4 were running suppressors. So it may not be as clear-cut as you presented, but I agree that sounds like the typical mindset.

      Thanks,
      Cal

      • Hello Cal,
        What is popular berrel length between 20″ and 22″ in 308 with suppressor ?
        I am have 24″ barrel, thinking about to cut into 20 or 22.

      • I’m not certain, but I’d bet 20″. That seems to be a popular length for 308. I know the guys at Teledyne Tech recommend cutting barrels down to 20″ for 308’s that are sent in for their StraightJacket process to be applied to them. They feel like that is the sweet spot for a 308. It’s what I’d personally do on a 308 at least.

        Thanks,
        Cal

  10. Hi Cal, As a novice (actually, I rank lower than that), I find your data compilation to be extremely informative and interesting. I am currently looking to upgrade my current barrel and was very focused on either a Les Baer or Lilja for target and hunting. Yet, I see no Les Baers being used while only 1 Lilja was among the group of 100. Can you offer an explanation?

    Many thanks, and again, I appreciate having such information available for review.

    Nelson

    • Hey, Nelson. I knew Les Baer made best-of-class 1911’s and a very precise AR-10 (which I’ve personally shot and can attest to). But I didn’t even know they made barrels for bolt-actions. Les Baer obviously is a world-class machinist and knows how to achieve world-class accuracy, so it makes sense that he could extend that into the bolt-action barrel world. And I have a good friend who is a Lilja nut. Almost all of his precision rifles sport a Lilja barrel. They’re very capable, but just not as popular among this crowd.

      There are likely many factors that play into this. I know manufacturers like Accuracy International use Bartlein Barrels (at least AI North America does). I’ve talked to the guy who runs AI North America about that, and they chose Bartlein because they whole-heartedly believe Bartlein consistently turns out the best barrels available. Two key words in there are “consistently” and “available”. So every barrel manufacture will produce a dud from time to time. Several highly respected gunsmiths have told me that it isn’t uncommon for there to be one in every lot of barrels. But some barrel manufacturers are more consistent than others, and I suspect since many of these guys are world-class gunsmiths themselves (like George Gardner, Jim See, Matt Perry, Wade Stuteville, Jared Joplin, Francis Kuehl, and the list goes on and on) … they pick whatever barrel they believe is most likely to turn out a shooter. There is also an aspect of availability, and I believe that’s one of the reasons Krieger’s numbers have declined and also why you don’t see barrels on here from Boots Obermeyer. These guys burn through more than one barrel a year, so if the wait time on a new barrel is a year or more … you can see how that can make this hard to manage.

      The last point is that some brands are just more popular in different shooting disciplines. I hear that Lilja and Shilen are very popular in the benchrest world. So why not here? If they’re capable of providing the precision a benchrest shooter demands, surely they’ll work here too … right?! But they aren’t represented in large numbers for whatever reason. It doesn’t mean they aren’t good. It just means birds of a feather flock together. There is at least some group think going on here. Part of that may have to do with participation. If a barrel company is actively supporting PRS matches (like Bartlein), then shooters are more likely to want to do business with them. I’m not even talking about sponsorships or free barrels. We just all like it when companies take a serious interest in what we’re passionate about, and when we see their banners at a match, and know they helped make that fun day possible and maybe I even met some of their staff while I was there … then when I’m looking for a barrel, I’m more likely to want to give them my money than some faceless company.

      All that to say, just because those guys aren’t in this doesn’t necessarily mean they don’t make quality barrels. Records have been set with Lilja barrels, and virtually every brand of barrel. Most custom barrels are capable of outstanding precision. Then again, every brand will turn out a dud every now and then. I’m just hoping I’m not the lucky lottery winner of the dud barrel. So I typically lean towards the barrels in this post, because I think it may help my odds. At the same time that doesn’t mean I’m closed off to other options. Too many people in this industry have extremely dogmatic views. I’m not one of those. I’ll try just about anything. I’ve owned pick-ups made by Chevy, Toyota, and Ford. I have barrels from Krieger, Bartlein, PROOF Research, Christensen Arms, and others. I’m about to buy one from Hawk Hill too, I’m just trying to decide what it’ll be. Some of my barrels shoot better than others, but I try not to get caught up in the mindset that there is only one right answer.

      Thanks,
      Cal

      • Hi Cal, and thanks for the very informative reply. You mention several aspects that I had not considered, and I can see where consistency and availability can easily come into play when deciding on a barrel.

        My interest concerned a barrel for an AR platform (.264), so you still might very well be correct that Les Baer doesn’t make barrels for bolt-action rifles.

        Again, thanks for your information and summaries such as this. I was searching for information on barrels and recommendations, and was glad to locate your information.

        Rgds
        Nelson

  11. Do you have this data by most popular barrel contour for each caliber? Also, do you know if there was much variance in twist rates for the top performers in each caliber?

    Thanks and amazing job as always

    • DRD, there didn’t appear to be any correlation between cartridge and barrel contour. I went back and looked pretty closely at that after I saw this question come through. And I’m afraid I didn’t gather info on twist rates. Honestly, I’m not sure some of these guys would know that off the top of their head. I couldn’t tell you what the twist rates were for all my barrels right now. I know I put thought into it back when I ordered it, and I’d bet it was one of the fastest available … but I’d have to go look it up to be sure. Some of these guys aren’t near as into the gear as you might think. A couple didn’t know what contour their barrel was. But they can shoot far better than me, so it’s hard to argue that it matters! 😉

      Sorry I couldn’t be more help! I’d suggest using the stability calculator Litz came up with for the bullet you plan to shoot. It will give you great info on the optimal twist.

      Thanks,
      Cal

  12. Hi Cal,

    I really appreciate all the data you have put together and all the information shared, hands down can’t thank you enough for a great contribution to shooting sports community.

    I have a Ruger PR that I am changing the 24″ stock barrel to LRI Match grade. I have reviewed information multiple times, and the more I read more a bit of confusion sets. I am shooting to 1,000 m ish so would you say if I go with 22″ and a custom Muzzle brake would be a good decision? Will appreciate your reply.

    Regards,

    • That’s what I’d personally go with for a 6.5 Creedmoor, but it wouldn’t be the wrong decision to go 24″ or even 26″. It just depends on how you plan to use it. I prefer the lighter, more compact and maneuverable package of a 22″ barrel. In the day of the digital rangefinder, muzzle velocity just doesn’t matter as much as it once did.

      But these guys are better shooters than me, and clearly most of them would go 26″. So I certainly can’t say that or a 24″ barrel is the wrong decision. It just depends on what you feel like the right balance is for how you plan to use it. Best of luck to you!

      Thanks,
      Cal

  13. Benchrest rifles often have the magic “20” harmonic scale but hunters who have to react to the movements and thus varying distances to game often take advantage of the longer tubes/greater velocity/ flatter trajectory. With modern bullets the 6.5 Creedmore is an effective hunting calibre beyond what WAS thought to be the limits.
    What I am saying is, IF you will use this Creedmore for the multiple purpose rifle it is…give yourself some leeway for the potential grazing animal that could throw your distance estimation off.

    • It is true that flatter shooting rifles can absorb some range uncertainty … but it is smaller than you might think. I’ve been at the 1st Annual Applied Ballistics Seminar for the past 2 days, and Bryan Litz specifically spoke on that subject. He even showed a WEZ analysis that shows hit probability on long range targets with different levels of uncertainty. The amount of velocity you’d gain by getting a barrel a few inches longer does not make a significant impact on hit probability on long range targets when you have range uncertainty. I’ll probably do a full post on it at some point, but you can use AB Analytics software to do the analysis yourself if you’re interested. I totally get the argument, and making a change in cartridge to get SIGNIFICANTLY more muzzle velocity (like on the order of 300 fps or more) will have a measurable impact on hit probability in many scenarios where range uncertainty is present, but the small gains in MV from barrel length are just smaller than you might think.

      Hope this makes sense. I do hope to do a more in-depth post on this subject in the future, but I just wanted to pass along my new found knowledge from the past couple days.

      Thanks,
      Cal

      • YES, I very much concur, for PRC where ranges extend past realistic hunting ethical limits. My comment, as noted , was strictly for multiple purpose rifles where their hunting use is 98% inside 600 yards and more especially inside a quarter mile AND even more importantly, the target is a living and breathing one that deserves ever iota of effort to ensure a quick death.
        Bryan Litz’s “DANGER SPACE” discussions are the most precise definition and instruction on this topic I am aware of.
        I will note that even with my PRC disclaimer above…you guys seem to go to great lengths to get every advantage allowed [ how many .308s are on-the-line ]. It is only when the ergonomics and portability factors “get in the way” I see the majority of you guys chopping those muzzles back.